Never again? Elderly Palestinian women called “whores” on Yad Vashem tour, while racism explodes across Israel (Updated)

The only image of a Palestinian inside Yad Vashem depicts the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem sig heiling Nazi troops

The only image of a Palestinian inside Yad Vashem depicts the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem sig heiling Nazi troops

Update: A cross-posting of this piece at Mondoweiss of triggered a few extremely insightful comments. I have posted three of them below the fold; they are worth reading. And The Hasbara Buster has alerted me to another disturbing incident of Israeli racism, this time against five Arab renters who were driven from their apartment in Tel Aviv — one of them had served in the IDF. Read about it here.

This week, a group of elderly Palestinian women were escorted to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance musuem to learn about the Jewish genocide in Europe. At the entrance of the museum, they were surrounded by a group of Jewish Israeli youth who recognized them as Arabs. “Sharmouta!” the young Israelis shouted at them again and again, using the Arabic slang term for whores, or sluts.

The Palestinians had been invited to attend a tour arranged by the Israeli Bereaved Families Forum, an organization founded by an Israeli whose son was killed in combat by Palestinians. They were joined by a group of Jewish Israeli women who, like them, had lost family members to violence related to the conflict. Presumably, both parties went on the tour in good faith, hoping to gain insight into the suffering of women on the other side of the conflict.

Unfortunately, the Palestinian members (who unlike the Israelis live under occupation and almost certainly had to obtain special permits just to go to Yad Vashem) learned an unusual lesson of the Holocaust: A society that places the Holocaust at the center of its historical narrative — that stops traffic for two minutes each year on the national holiday known as Yom Ha’Shoah — could also raise up a generation of little fascists goose-stepping into the future full of irrational hatred.

“In Palestinian culture, older women are most honored and they could not believe their ears,” said Sami Abu Awwad, a Palestinian coordinator of the tour. “We never talk like this to older women. The Palestinians, who were all grandmothers, were very shocked and offended.”

The report on this outburst of Jewish Israeli racism comes from the Israeli news website Walla! For some reason, I could not find reporting on it anywhere in English.

Perhaps the story was lost in the flood of reports about the anti-Arab racism that poured through the streets of Israel this week. Besides the publication of a series of rabbinical letters forbidding renting to Arabs and condemning relationships between Jews and Arabs, a school principal in Jaffa prohibited Palestinian-Israeli students from speaking Arabic to one another. In Bat Yam, a mostly Russian suburb just south of Jaffa, Jewish residents demonstrated against the presence their Arab neighbors. “Any Jewish woman who goes with an Arab should be killed; any Jew who sells his home to an Arab should be killed,” one protester reportedly shouted. And in Tel Aviv, locals rallied for the expulsion of foreign workers.

The Jerusalem Post reported:

On Saturday, three teenage girls born to African migrant parents were attacked and severely beaten by a mob of teenagers while walking to their homes in the Hatikva neighborhood.

That same night, someone tried to torch an apartment in Ashdod housing seven Sudanese citizens. The assailants set a blazing tire outside the front door of the apartment, and five of the seven residents were lightly hurt by smoke inhalation before they managed to break the burglar bars and flee through a window.

Meanwhile, in Jerusalem, a gang of Jewish youths was arrested after staging several random attacks on young Palestinian men with weapons including tear gas, which would be hard to acquire from anywhere except the army. Ynet reported:

The gang of teens was allegedly headed by a 14-year-old boy, and used a girl their age to seduce Arab youths.

The girl would then lead the young men to a meeting point in the city’s Independence Park, where they were allegedly brutally attacked by the teens with stones, glass bottles and tear gas. Police suspect the girl took part in three of the assaults.

Daniel Bar-Tal, a renowned Israeli political psychologist who has conducted some of the most comprehensive surveys of Israeli attitudes since Operation Cast Lead, found that the racist, authoritarian trends that are increasingly pronounced in Israeli society are products of a “psycho-social infrastructure” dedicated to promoting “a sense of victimization, a siege mentality, blind patriotism, belligerence, self-righteousness, dehumanization of the Palestinians and insensitivity to their suffering.”

This infrastructure is comprised of institutions like the Zionist education system, the Israeli Defense Forces, and even Yad Vashem, which explicitly links the Palestinian national struggle to Nazism.

Indeed, the only image of a Palestinian in all of Yad Vashem (at least that I am aware of) is of the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, who was forced by the British to flee to Germany, where he became a (not very successful) Nazi collaborator. In recent years, the Mufti has become a key fixture of Israeli propaganda efforts against the Palestinians. As such, a photo is featured prominently on a wall in Yad Vashem depicting him sig heiling a group of Nazi troops. However, there is no mention anywhere in Yad Vashem of the 9000 Palestinian Arabs the British recruited to fight the Nazis, or of the 233,000 North African volunteers who fought and died while battling the Nazis in the French Liberation Army (and whose heroic efforts were dramatized in the excellent film, “Days of Glory”).

According to Peter Novick, the author of “The Holocaust in American Life,” though the Mufti played no significant part in the Holocaust, he plays a “starring role” in Yad Vashem’s Encyclopedia of the Holocaust. “The article on the Mufti is more than twice as long as the articles on Goebbels and Goring, longer than the articles on Himmler and Heydrich combined, longer than the article on Eichmann — of all the biographical articles, it is exceeded in length, but only slightly, by the entry for Hitler.” [Novick, p. 158]

Not only has Yad Vashem attempted through propagandistic means to link the Palestinian struggle to Nazism, it has promoted an exclusivist view of the Holocaust. In April 2009, Yad Vashem fired a docent, Itamar Shapira, because he had discussed the massacre of Palestinians in Deir Yassin with a group of students from the settlement of Efrat. “All I was trying to say is that there were people who lived here before the Holocaust survivors arrived, that they suffered a terrible trauma too, and that we shouldn’t hide the facts,” Shapira told me a month after his firing. “Yad Vashem carefully selected what facts it wanted to present, but deliberately avoided things like Deir Yassin, even though its ruins were just a thousand meters from the museum.”

Iris Rosenberg, a Yad Vashem administrator who was involved in Shapira’s firing, said of the verbal assault against Palestinian women at the museum this week: “Despite the regrettable incident at the entrance to the museum, the team’s visit to the Holocaust History Museum was conducted in a dignified manner which was significant and important.”

Tamara Rabinovitch, the Israeli leader of the Bereaved Families tour, told Walla! that her Palestinian counterparts “were very excited by the visit. Some of them approached me and told me they heard details of the Holocaust but did not know how painful it was. In two weeks we plan to visit an abandoned Arab village so that the Palestinian narrative is represented.”

Three important comments on my piece posted at Mondoweiss:

David Samel December 30, 2010 at 1:11 pm

The Mufti was clearly a Nazi sympathizer, but the difficulty for hasbarists has been how to lay blame on the entire Palestinian people for the Mufti’s actions. After all, the subtext is that since “the Palestinians” sided with the Nazis in WWII, their expulsion a few years later was well-deserved.

One of the leading proponents of this view is Alan Dershowitz. He has repeatedly argued that Palestinians can be blamed for the Mufti’s actions (which, though they were bad enough, he has shamelessly exaggerated to be much worse) because the Mufti was their national leader. Aside from the fallacy of holding an entire population responsible and even punishing them for their leader’s actions (how would we Americans fare under that standard?), Dersh’s reasoning was based not only an Edward Said quote taken wildly out of context but one that Dersh had deliberately changed in subtle but meaningful ways. Several years ago, I sent Dersh the following email:

Recently, I read your article published in frontpagemagazine regarding Ahmadinejad’s lie about the Palestinians not being responsible for the Holocaust. . .

Your article then proceeds to review the close relationship between the Mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, and the Nazis during the War. While I did not check your sources, I had no difficulty believing that al-Husseini was indeed a Nazi sympathizer who hated Jews. However, your article suggested that the Palestinian people were collectively responsible for the Mufti’s pro-Nazi actions. For this proposition, you relied on a quote from Professor Edward Said, who, according to you, acknowledged:

“Hajj Amin al-Husseini represented the Palestinian Arab national consensus, had the backing of the Palestinian political parties that functioned in Palestine, and was recognized in some form by Arab governments as the voice of the Palestinian people.”

I found this sentence to be quite significant. Did Said, of all people, acknowledge that Palestinians shared al-Husseini’s affinity for Nazism and even mass murder of Jews? This was most unexpected. . . I discovered that you used the same quote in The Case For Israel, with an endnote citing p. 248 of Blaming the Victims, a book edited by Hitchens and Said. . . When I turned to p. 248, I was somewhat shocked. The quote was clearly taken out of context, as the passage did not remotely suggest any Palestinian national consensus in favor of the Holocaust or mass murder of Jews. But even worse, it was an erroneous quotation. The actual quote is as follows:

“This committee [the Arab Higher Committee], chaired by Palestine’s national leader, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, represented the Palestinian Arab national consensus, had the backing of the Palestinian political parties that functioned in Palestine, and was recognized in some form by Arab governments as the voice of the Palestinian people.”

This passage, appearing in an article co-authored by Said, clearly presented the Arab Higher Committee as the subject of the sentence, not al-Husseini himself. I cannot imagine how this error could be inadvertent. You even removed the comma after Husseini’s name so as not to have the reader question its presence, which would have correctly implied that something had preceded it. Did you really deliberately distort the quote? I don’t know if you rationalize this by thinking that you captured the spirit of the passage, but I would not agree. It appears that you were unwilling to provide an accurate quote and trust your readers with the truth. Moreover, you use the quote to imply a Palestinian consensus in support of the Holocaust mass murder of Jews, something that clearly is not in the original. The article states that the Committee was popular after the war, not that the Mufti’s Nazi leanings were popular during the Holocaust.

Dersh answered: “Who are you. Identify yourself,” but offered no substantive answer. I did not respond. Of course, he has continued to spout this line since then, smearing the entire Palestinian people as Nazi sympathizers who cheered on the Holocaust and would have been enthusiastic participants if only they had gotten the chance.

Peter Novick’s statistics regarding the relative lengths of articles on the Mufti and Nazi leaders in the Yad Vashem Encyclopedia shows how thoroughly entrenched this line of reasoning is. The creation of a Jewish State on Palestinian land is quite often justified by the Holocaust, and the obvious answer that the Palestinians were not the perpetrators has generated this mendacious effort to smear them.

MRW

…This understanding was memorialized in the Alexandria Protocol of October 7, 1944, where they included a section called “Special Resolution Concerning Palestine.” This document is at Yale. It reads:

Special Resolution Concerning Palestine

A. The Committee is of the opinion that Palestine constitutes an important part of the Arab World and that the rights of the Arabs in Palestine cannot be touched without prejudice to peace and stability in the Arab World.

The Committee also is of the opinion that the pledges binding the British Government and providing for the cessation of Jewish immigration, the preservation of Arab lands, and the achievement of independence for Palestine are permanent Arab rights whose prompt implementation would constitute a step toward the desired goal and toward the stabilization of peace and security.

The Committee declares its support of the cause of the Arabs of Palestine and its willingness to work for the achievement of their legitimate aims and the safeguarding of their Just rights.

The Committee also declares that it is second to none in regretting the woes which have been inflicted upon the Jews of Europe by European dictatorial states. But the question of these Jews should not be confused with Zionism, for there can be no greater injustice and aggression than solving the problem of the Jews of Europe by another injustice, i.e., by inflicting injustice on the Arabs of Palestine of various religions and denominations.

B. The special proposal concerning the participation Of the Arab Governments and peoples in the “Arab National Fund” to safeguard the lands of the Arabs of Palestine shall be referred to the committee of financial and economic affairs to examine it from all its angles and to submit the result of that examination to the Preliminary Committee in its next meeting.

In faith of which this protocol has been signed at Faruq I University at Alexandria on Saturday, Shawwal 20, 1363 (October 7,1944).

(1) Translation of the official communique of the Pan-Arab Preliminary Conference made by the American Legation, Cairo; and collated with the Arabic text published in al-Ahram (Cairo), Oct. 8,1944, p. 3.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/alex.asp

Jeffrey Blankfort December 30, 2010 at 12:45 pm

Despite having grown up during WW2 and having taken the news of what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe almost personally–it was years before I was able to have a civil conversation with a German–I never transferred those feelings into affection for Israel.

This was because my parents, neither of whom were, fortunately, zionists, were, however, involved in Jewish community activities, and as a consequence, we had a number of Israeli Jews visiting our home in the first five or six years following Israel’s establishment.

All had left Israel, as I recall, for the same reason, the unvarnished racism displayed by their fellow Israeli Jews towards the 150,000 Palestinian Arabs who had remained following the Nakba. The stories they told were how, whenever there was an attack on Israelis by Palestinian fedayeen who had been robbed of their land, Israeli Jews who lived near the Palestinians, took it out on them, committing what our Israeli visitors described as “pogroms.” These Israeli Jews had no desire to live in a racist country.

In the mid-60s traveling in Europe I had the same experience, meeting Israeli Jews who also had left for the same reasons and it was, in fact, years before I met an Israeli Jew who had anything positive to say about the country. At that time I had not yet been to the Middle East and wasn’t giving the Palestinian issue much thought but I found their comments worth noting.

In 1983, I spent two and a half months in Israel and interviewed Israeli soldiers who had opposed the Lebanese war, now, except for the massacres of Sabra and Shatila, largely forgotten by everyone in the West, including, inexplicably, the Palestinian solidarity movement, and I did take the time to visit Yad Vashem one morning, although I admit I did not pay much attention to what it had to say about the Mufti.

In the afternoon of the same day I made a trip to a Palestinian hospital in the hills of East Jerusalem, having been advised to do so by a young woman from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) in the West Bank.

There I found a half dozen Palestinian children who had been victims of a different luftwaffe, this one piloted over Lebanon by Israeli Jews in F-15s provided by the US Congress. The six children had a total of two legs and all were being fitted for prostheses.

When they were assembled together for a group photo, they were all smiling. It was all I could do to keep from crying. What I was seeing was a continuation of what I had seen at Yad Vashem.

35 thoughts on “Never again? Elderly Palestinian women called “whores” on Yad Vashem tour, while racism explodes across Israel (Updated)

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  2. Nobilis

    If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn’t part of ourselves doesn’t disturb us. ~Hermann Hesse

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  4. jewlicious

    One would think we are verily goose stepping down the grand avenues of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem! Of course the behavior of this “handful of children” out of the hundreds of Israeli kids that were there is completely inexcusable, but so is the impression that you are trying to convey that we are a society sliding towards fascism, in part because we annually honor the memory of our victims. No where does your post mention anything remotely exculpatory, ie that all the head Rabbis of Israel condemned the letter that urged Jews not to rent apartments to Arabs. Religious Jews are urging Jewish women not to date Arab men!? What religion exactly encourages its faithful to marry outside of its confines? Then you go and quote angry mobs of hooligans as being somehow representative of Israeli society? But that wasn’t enough. When you discussed the gang of kids staging random attacks on Palestinians by luring them into a secluded area with the promise of sex with a 14 year old girl, you stated that the men were attacked “with weapons including tear gas, which would be hard to acquire from anywhere except the army.” The implication was that the Army supplied these 14-year olds with the tear gas. And you said that so authoritatively, like your some big expert on Israel! Fact is, you’re not. You can buy a can of tear gas from any camping or army surplus store for 25 shekels. I have one on my key chain as we speak. So do most of my female friends.

    The patently anti-Arab and racist incidents that you mention are awful, regrettable and worthy of the strongest condemnation. Most of the perpetrators you mention have been arrested or are being sought by the police. But by insisting on painting these incidents as an inevitable consequence of Israeli existence, I’m afraid you are merely trying to score ideological points. A more measured post that details our critical responses to these actions would have presented Israeli society for what it really is – imperfect but striving to be better, rather than irreversibly in the grips of fascism. Your approach divides rather than unites. You might want to think about that.

  5. Rose

    Jewlicious, I have never heard of a country where you can buy a can of tear gas that easy! (And what exactly would you need a tear gas can for?!!) But hey, there really aren’t that many countries that are as militarized as Israel.

    And if the majority of Israelis are, like you say, trying to improve the situation on the ground, why aren’t you moving back to the 1967 borders in compliance with UN resolutions? Why are you electing politicians who committed massacres against unarmed civilians? Why are you continuing to build the apartheid wall in the process of which you steal more land from Palestinian villagers? Why did you bomb Gaza? Why are Palestinian villagers who fight for the right to hold on to their land being tried in military courts? and the list of questions goes on…

  6. jewlicious

    Rose: I saw “tear gas” or mace (which is what the kids used) on sale openly in California at Fry’s, in Chinatown in New York and all over the place in France. And that’s not an exhaustive list of countries where it is available. My friend J_ is a student at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and she demanded I get her mace after she was attacked and her buttocks were fondled by local teenagers on Mount Scopus. Mace is a great alternative to physical altercations when your safety or bodily integrity is at risk – just spray and run. This has nothing to do with militarization or incipient fascism and everything to do with personal safety.

    I’m not moving back to 1967 borders or any borders without a comprehensive peace treaty as per UN resolution 242. The Security Barrier, most of which is a fence, is there to protect us from suicide bombers – all of us, Jews, Muslims and Christians. We’ll gladly move it so as to reflect the actual border once a comprehensive peace treaty is signed.

    Why do you insist on infantilizing the Palestinian people and their leadership and absolving them of any and all responsibility for the situation that they are in? Three times in the past 11 years the Palestinians could have had a state covering 98% of the territory they claim. Three times they had it in their power to be masters of their own destiny. Why are none of your questions aimed at criticizing rejectionists within the Palestinian camp? Until such time as the Palestinians get their acts together, we will do what we have to in order to assure the continued safety of our citizens – the same thing that any other country would do when faced with existential or any kind of threats.

  7. Rose

    “until such time as the Palestinians get their acts together, we will do what we have in order to assure the continued safety of our citizens”… meaning that we will continue to keep hundreds of thousands of people in the biggest open air prison in history and bomb them with white phosphorus every once in a while, then assassinate their democratically elected leaders as often as we feel like it while continuing to steal more land, build thousands of settlements on them and then wonder why occasionally one of those Palestinian terrorists jumps over the fence and blows himself up…I love it when zionists treat both sides equally, very typical of all colonialist discourses.

    Thanks for making your mainstream Israeli propagandist ideological position very clear.

    As for the tear gas cans, they are illegal in the US. Nice to know you know where all the black markets for them are.

  8. doremus

    jewlicious said: “What religion exactly encourages its faithful to marry outside of its confines?”

    Since when is “Arab” a religion?

  9. hophmi

    Just another reason to dislike Max.

    It’s a Holocaust Museum. And I’ve been there. There is all of one panel discussing the Mufti. One. Out of hundreds and hundreds. To say that he is a major part of the museum is a big fat lie.

    It is quite a moving experience, by the way, for those who have actually been there, and relatively little of it, at least from my memory, focuses on Israel. The only real Israeli part is the exit door at the end, which opens to a nice vista, which is, sorry to all of you, meant to suggest that despite the Holocaust, there is a Jewish future. And even that is controversial, as a the Yad Vashem guides freely told us.

    This is typical of Max’s work, the use of a few bad apples to suggest that Israelis are “a generation of little fascists.”

    How about we do this with the Palestinians, Max? Let’s generalize about those who support suicide bombings. By Max’s reasoning, Palestinians are all terrorists.

  10. ReverseFlash

    Why can’t we all just agree that the Israelis and Palestinians are all at fault for what is going on? Why do we act like either side is innocent in any of this?

  11. LK

    Jewlicious, your point about the wall is common, but is not honest and in fact not even internally coherent.

    Granted it’s a cute idea though, because you get to have it both ways. If there’s a lot of violent resistance against Israel you can say “see, we need that wall, we’re under attack”. If there’s not a lot of violent resistance against Israel you can say “see, we need that wall – it’s working.”

    There’s also a certain dissonance in minimizing the presence of this project as just a mere “fence”, as if to say “hey what’s the problem, it’s just a trifle – there’s one in every backyard”. Sorry, but if it’s so minor and inoffensive, then how is it keeping all the Israelis safe from revenge-seeking hordes of Palestinians?

    All of which is not to ignore the most obvious point of all – whether it’s a fence or a wall, whether it’s called for or not, you don’t get to build it in someone ELSE’s property. That betrays, if anyone still had any doubt, the purpose of the wall. One party to a dispute might sometimes be justified in building walls, fences, or any manner of protective barriers ON THE BORDER. But I hope you’ll agree that it’s unequivocally wrong to steal people’s land and build it there. That’s not self-defense – that’s theft. That’s certainly what the International Court of Justice found.

    It’s also of course strangulation, ghettoization, impoverishment, the whole Zionist program for the natives. But whatever your stance on that, let’s not kid ourselves with what that wall is about.

  12. andrew r

    “Why do you insist on infantilizing the Palestinian people and their leadership and absolving them of any and all responsibility for the situation that they are in?”

    They’re in the situation that they are in because their country was invaded by a colonialist army – i.e. the British – that created a segregated economic system and helped turn some colonial settlers – that would be the New Yishuv – into a significant paramilitary. Primary responsibility for the colonization of Palestine rests on the Zionists and the British with contributions from some Ottoman administrators (Especially provincial governors), some Palestinian and Arab leaders who either sold land or sabotaged the resistance with their short-sighted agendas.

    When Kanafani wrote his history of the ’36 Revolt, which is online and you should read, he named three enemies of the Palestinian people and the British and Zionists were counted as one enemy. The other two were the feudal-clerical leadership of Palestine and certain leaders in the other Arab countries.

    Reading a whitewash job that amputates the historical process of creating Israel from how its people behave is not much fun.

  13. jewlicious

    Rose: Mace is freely, legally and openly sold in California sporting goods and camping stores. I bought a canister at Fry’s in Sacramento. I love how you forcefully assert facts that are patently false. Like the notion that Zionists are colonialists. Patently false by definition – Colonizers never had any ties to the lands and people they colonized prior to their colonization. Jews have always lived in present day Israel, even after most were expelled. But thanks for playing. Please read a dictionary and a history book, try to avoid meaningless catchphrases culled from anti-Israel hasbarah talking points, and come back to me when you want to have an intelligent and productive discussion.

    LK: The final borders have yet to be determined – and when they are determined we will move the fence to where the border is. The final borders are in dispute and it would be foolish to concede anything without a signed treaty – what incentive would the Palestinians then have to even negotiate in good faith if the final outcome has already been determined? Till then, the fence goes wherever security considerations determine it goes.

    andrew r: Thanks for an interesting comment though of course the end result of the 1936-39 revolt and the coming of WWII was that British policy shifted and favored the Arabs over the Jews in Palestine.

  14. Rose

    Jewlicious, you’re the one who needs a dictionary and a history book (also you’re clearly hanging around the wrong group of people, I never heard of campers who buy tear gas cans. Smoke cans, on the other hand, are a completely different thing, which is apparently what you’re referring to!).

    As for the Jews returning to their land after thousands of year, that’s a Zionist Ashkenazi story that completely ignores the fact that Arab Jews have always existed in the Arab world since the beginning of Judaism. White European Zionist Jewish colonialist settlers stole land from Arab Christians and Muslims and are systematically treating Arab Jews as second class citizens.

    The creation of Israel led to a series of humanitarian catastrophes and traumas one of which is the destruction of Arab Jewish and European Yiddish cultures and communities. If you really know anything about Judaism you would know that in orthodox teachings the creation of Israel is a violation of God’s divine will.

    As you yourself made it clear through your Zionist hasbara, Israel *is* a colonialist expansionist state that refuses to declare its official borders until it sees how much more land it can get away with stealing.

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  17. jewlicious

    No Rose. Tear Gas. Mace. Pepper Spray. Whatever you want to call it. Not smoke bombs. It’s a great bear repellent if ever one gets too close, though mostly it is purchased for self defense. Here, check out this link. Sheesh.

    I’m an Arab Jew. I was born in Israel and my parents came from Morocco. No one treats me, my family or anyone as second class anything. My cousins are high ranking officers, academics, lawyers and high tech executives. Please get your facts straight. And we are as Sephardic as can be, maintaining our synagogue affiliation, last names, musical tastes whatever. Your assertions have once again proven to be meaningless propaganda.

    Our family is traditional/Orthodox. We’re doing fine thanks – and we love Israel. My Grandfather who was a Rabbi would look at you like you were insane if you told him that “the creation of Israel is a violation of God’s divine will.”

    We cannot define our borders until, as per UN Resolution 242, a comprehensive peace treaty is signed. It’s really that simple.

  18. poyani

    jewlicious, I agree with the notion that one should not generalize the actions of a few people to represent the tendencies of a nation. But let’s not kid ourselves. We know Israeli society if getting more and more racist. We know this not from the incidents cited in the article, but from the latest election results.

    For some god-awful reason, it has become a popular thing among Zionists to argue that Lieberman is not racist. I can’t imagine what viewpoint is causing this. His positions are very similar to those of the KKK in the US. The KKK believes that the US government should find some way of taking away the citizenship of its black citizens. They even support the notion of a separate black America to be cut off from the US. That is essentially Lieberman’s position.

    The difference between them is that Lieberman leads the third biggest political party in the Knessset (2nd biggest in government) while anyone even remotely associated with the KKK in the US is simply unelectable.

    Given these facts, how can anyone deny that Israel sliding towards racism?

    You wrote that “We cannot define our borders until, as per UN Resolution 242, a comprehensive peace treaty is signed. It’s really that simple.”

    Well who is preventing “comprehensive peace”? May I remind you that all Arab states and major Arab groups (as well as many Islamic states) have signed on to the Arab Peace Initiative? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

    It gives Israel not just peace, but trade and normalization of relations if Israel were to accept UN 242 and withdraw to pre-67 borders as well as a “just settlement” to the refugee question settled through negotiation. The initiative was supported by every Arab state as well as the PLO and Islamic States (including Iran). Hamas said it would abide by it.

    The only people who outright rejected it were the Israeli and American governments. It really says a lot.

  19. poyani

    Rabbi Henry Siegman, on the Israeli government’s Rejection of the Arab Peace Initiative:

    April 26, 2007

    “The Arab League meeting in Cairo yesterday was unprecedented in its overture to Israel, offering to meet Israeli representatives to clarify the peace initiative that the League re-endorsed at its meeting in Riyadh on March 28. The two events underscore the complete reversal of the paradigm that for so long has defined the Israeli-Arab conflict….

    The Israeli response to this tectonic change in Arab psychology and politics was worse than rejection: it was complete indifference, as if this 180-degree turnround in Arab thinking had no meaning for Israel and its future in the region. Ehud Olmert, prime minister, and his government have reflexively rejected every Arab peace offer, whether from Saudi Arabia, Syria, the Arab League or Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president.

    Ariel Sharon’s and Mr Olmert’s policies these past seven years have shaped a new paradigm in which Israel is the rejectionist party. The Three Nos of Khartoum have been replaced by the Three Nos of Jerusalem: no negotiations with Syria, no acceptance of the Arab initiative and, above all, no peace talks with the Palestinians.”

  20. Rose

    Jewlicious, If it’s true that you are an Arab Jew, not very surprising given that Arab Jews have a lot to prove inside Israeli society so they have to be more royal than the king, it’s sad to see that official Israeli Ashkenazi education has made you ignorant of your own history. Fortunately, there are a lot of Arab Jews (and Ashkenazi anti-Zionist Jews) all over the world who don’t buy into the Ashkenazi Zionist story and are proud of their real heritage (and some of them are Rabbis who refuse to go any where near Israel).

    PS: the stuff you linked to and your insistence on saying that you use “tear gas” for camping makes it clear that you really don’t know the difference between tear gas on the one hand, which is only used by the military and the police, and bear repellents and pepper sprays on the other hand. Go look them up.

    PPS: Also there are a lot of upper-middle and upper class African-Americans in the USA, that doesn’t mean that the overwhelming majority are not still being treated as second class citizens. The same applies to Israel where the whites dictate everybody else’s standards.

  21. LK

    Jewlicious said: “The final borders have yet to be determined – and when they are determined we will move the fence to where the border is.”

    What a notion! Is that the rule then? I can steal whatever I want, from whomever I want, with as much force as I want, and I can do whatever I want with it… so long as I say that in some vague future, at some time, and under some circumstances, I’ll plan to give it back if others force me to?

    What nonsense. On the other hand though, I’m sure the Lebanese will be happy with that rule. Under that logic they’re surely entitled to seize half of Israel and build some gnarly walls through Tel Aviv, take what they want, really lock the place down. For their own protection you see. But don’t worry Jewlicious – they’ll call it a fence. Oh yeah, also they’ll give it back someday. We’d be cool with that right?

    To me the lesson is this. When a Zionist says to you “don’t worry, I’m stealing this from you, but I’ll give it back later”, a good dose of skepticism, at the very least, is in order.

  22. Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf

    Jewlicious:

    “No where does your post mention anything remotely exculpatory, ie that all the head Rabbis of Israel condemned the letter that urged Jews not to rent apartments to Arabs.”

    Of course, no one is saying that Israelis are not aware of how bad PR the rabbis’ letter was. Fact remains, though, that these are State-paid rabbis, and that, according to The Jerusalem Post, “No legal or disciplinary action has been taken against the nearly 50 municipal rabbis who recently issued an edict against renting or selling real-estate to non-Jews in Israel.” In fact, rabbi Dov Lior had issued a ban on employing Arabs back in 2008, and had been “roundly condemned” by the political establishment… but we now find him among the signatories of this new racist edict.

    “One would think we are verily goose stepping down the grand avenues of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem!”

    Only yesterday, Defense minister Ehud Barak stated “The rabbi and rebbetzin letters are part of a wave of racism that is threatening to pull Israeli society into dark and dangerous places.” So that what Max says is nothing that is not being said by the Israelis themselves, except for those more Catholic than the Pope like you.

    The fact that, according to a survey, 44% of Israeli Jews support the rabbis’ edict forbidding rentals to Arabs seems to suggest that the country is indeed in the slippery slope towards full Apartheid.

    “Most of the perpetrators you mention have been arrested or are being sought by the police.”

    A Jewish mob in Safed surrounded an Arab residence, chanted “Death to the Arabs” and hurled rocks and bottles at the building, shattering glass. Anyone arrested?

    Five Arabs, including a Druze IDF veteran, were kicked out of an apartment in Tel Aviv after their landlady was threatened that her building would be torched if she continued to rent out to Arabs. Anyone arrested?

    The rabbis of the Israeli Jewish city of Rosh Ha-Ayin, including the chief rabbi, declared a ban on hiring Arabs at stores which employ Jewish girls. Anyone arrested?

    Don’t confuse your wishful thinking with reality.

    “What religion exactly encourages its faithful to marry outside of its confines?”

    The Catholic religion has no problem with its followers marrying people of other faiths. Also, you disingenuously overlook the empirical fact that religion coincides with ethnic groups in Israel, and that any call not to intermarry is, thus, one more expression of racism. Also, you forget that the full wording of the rebbetzins’ advice is “Don’t date non-Jews, don’t work at places that non-Jews frequent, and don’t do national service with non-Jews.” That goes well beyond marriage considerations.

  23. andrew r

    “White European Zionist Jewish colonialist settlers stole land from Arab Christians and Muslims and are systematically treating Arab Jews as second class citizens.”

    Exactly. The crazy thing about Israel and its law of return is that it positions European Jews as the natives because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago, but Palestinians whose ancestors in living memory were just there can not return to their country. The right to leave and return to your country is in the universal decl. of human rights. Who could read this document and disagree with anything in it?

  24. walt kovacs

    the same hyperbole used by max in his diatribe about american being caught up in islamaphobia, is used here

    nothing to see at all

    and andrew, we all know that you do not believe that israel has a right to exist…and again, not one…NOT ONE…arab, is indigenous to the land

    for if they are…then the french, spanish and english are indigenous to the americas

    oh…and the ottomans controlled the land before the brits invaded…there never was an independent country called palestine

  25. walt kovacs

    jewlicious

    why id yourself as an “arab jew”? i dont think the arabs ever considered you an arab

  26. andrew r

    Kovacs, if you spend ten minutes reading ancient history, you’ll notice that languages, cultures and even religions are spread through conquest and by various travelers. The Arab Palestinians are not settlers from Arabia – This is more asinine non-history. The existing population of Palestine adopted Arabic under the Umayyad dynasty.

    In fact, you can’t have it both ways. Either the Palestinian Christians were there before the Islamic conquest or the Arabian settlers converted to Christianity, which wouldn’t be likely.

    And no, there was never an independent nation-state of Palestine. Nation-states are a relatively new concept of political entity. I use country in the sense of the land the people are living in as opposed to a political state. The last provision of the universal decl. gives me the leeway to do this. We don’t have to spill gallons of ink on the meaning of a country before accepting if you are from the general location of Jaffa or Ramle, you have the right to go back there and if you are denied the right to go back there because your great-grandparents were kicked out you still have that right.

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  28. walt kovacs

    andrew the history prof

    can you tell me the diff between “palestinian” culture and any of the arabs from other countries? the difference in language?

    there are/were christians in egypt, lebanon, iraq, iran and most of the arab world…so what?

    you make it sound as if the “palestinians” were the only christians in the region

    you are truly a revisionist moron

    sorry…unlike jewlicious, i choose not engage in polite debate with revisionists

    very much how max chooses to revise the history of the grand mufti…only reason he didnt have a larger role in the holocaust was because the nazis were stopped before his grand plan of building a death camp in nablus could be put into effect. but ya, setting up an all muslim ss unit….thats a tiny thing

    never mind that both max and the book he quotes totally ignores the role that north africans had in the holocaust

    no….israel and jews just need to find reasons to hate the arabs….rofl

  29. MoniqueBuckner

    Walt- yes, Palestinians speak a different Arabic to those in North Africa and the Gulf, and amongst the Palestinians there are different accents depending on whether they are from Gaza or the West Bank. The culture is also different to the cultures of the surrounding countries. You can find this on Wikipedia even.

    As for the Grand Mufti, from what I have read, he approached the Germans on account of getting rid of the British in Palestine. He was one amongst many Palestinian leaders at the time as there were different factions lead by different people and he was appointed by the British but eventually turned against them when he finally realised that he was being bought by them and pacified with an empty title and British promises of independence were not going to be upheld. Yes, he was worried about Zionist mass immigration to Palestine and their aggressive behaviour and wanted them out of Palestine, but he was not against Jews. Jews, Muslims and Christians had lived together in harmony for centuries. Also, if he was a Nazi collaborator, he would have been put on trial as others were. He lived openly next door to Israel until his death so he was easy to find.
    As for Jewish law. Zionists rebelled against the British who were governing Palestine- this is not allowed. Jews are not to set up a state through force and arms, which is exactly what they did through terrorizing the Palestinians in the 1947 ethnic cleansing episodes and in the King David Hotel bombing and other acts like killing British soldiers and blowing up railways. The Irgun, Stern and Haganah knew that force had to be used to remove the native population of their land to make as much land available for Zionist settlement.
    Of course Palestinians are native to Palestine, Walt! The Romans called it Palestine. and DNA analysis even links Palestinians to the land. Palestinians still have the land deeds and keys to their homes and the United Nations has a definition of who is a Palestinian refugee. You should investigate these facts.

    As for ‘Arab Jews’, these are Jews from Arab lands who speak Arabic and have Arabic culture. European Jews speak one of the many European languages and have European culture. Why are you puzzled by this? Arabs are not offended by Jews who call themselves Arab Jews. There are Arab Muslims and Arab Christians. Why are you ignorant of this?

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  31. walt kovacs

    monique,

    different accents? gotta do better than that…

    and enough of the meme that the mufti joined with the germans to rid the land of the brits

    you guys want it both ways….cuz at the same time you say the mufti wanted to rid the land of the brits, you like to note that it was the brits that gave him his power and that at least 1000 “palestinians” fought alongside the brits.

    and as the ss didnt fight at the front, what does creating an all muslim ss division have to do with fighting brits? and was the death camp in nablus only for “zionists”? dont make me laff

    and yes andrew…you are a revisionist

  32. poyani

    Walt Kovaks wrote “can you tell me the diff between ‘palestinian’ culture and any of the arabs from other countries?”

    Palestinian culture defines itself through Israeli oppression and dispossession. Hence literature, like the poetry of Mahmoud Darwish is from a uniquely Palestinian culture.

    BTW, the Grand Mufti was no more pro-Nazi than Israel’s former PM Yazhak Shamir and his ideological mentor Avraham Stern. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29#Contact_with_Nazi_Germany

    The Mufti’s collaboration was no more despicable than those of Zionists who made deals with the Nazis under the Haavara Agreement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    It should be noted that anti-Nazi Jews like Haim Arlozoroff were assassinated by the Zionist movement because they opposed dealing with the Nazis.

    A decent person would never argue that the Haavara Agreement and the actions/speeches of Stern and Shamir taint every Israeli citizen with Nazism. Likewise a decent person would never argue that the Mufti’a actions/speeches taint every Palestinian (let alone every Arab) with Nazism. But then again, you are not a “decent” person.

  33. poyani

    walt kovacs says:

    “different accents? gotta do better than that…”

    Linguistically, all that separate American from British from Australians, etc is different accents. Are you saying they are the same culture?

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