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By: weathervane

weathervane — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:38:57 +0000

Just out of curiosity: When will one of you [public figures] stand-up and say that yes, you are a socialist? I am. And when will someone admit they “lived the ’60s” (pause) other than me?

By: rainwave

rainwave — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:31:42 +0000

jodie says

“Folks hate the gop more than the dems”

There is that word hate again.

By: jodie

jodie — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:22:03 +0000

They can wait all they want till the 2010 elections they are going nowhere.
Folks hate the gop more than the dems

By: Lyle

Lyle — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:25:59 +0000

I wonder why so many right wingers say they can’t wait until the 2010 elections, do they really think most Americans share their sentiment? I don’t.

By: B.S. Bunkhouse

B.S. Bunkhouse — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:03:27 +0000

“May you live in interesting times.” This is the purported “curse” bestowed upon us. So much cultural change is occurring at a rate comparable to a sine curve that pure existential fear has grown rampant. I watched the Scarborough exchange of October 7. It crossed my mind that what we were witnessing in Scarborough’s affect – and mirrored in the silence of the rest of the panel – was a reflection of this fear manifesting itself in a subtle fight-or-flight response as fear is want to do.
But what is the source of this existential fear?

2009 has been named the Year of Astronomy in honor of Galileo who, four hundred years ago, transformed the occupation then known as “natural philosophy” into what would become modern science. Galileo turned his telescope to the sky and drove the final nail in the coffin of the geocentric (Earth-centered) world view of the Universe.

2009 is the bicentennial of Charles Darwin’s birth and is being celebrated as such. Darwin’s classic “On the Origin of Species” again pulled the rug out from under doctrines deeply held and believed true.

I believe Joe Scarborough is deeply conflicted and perhaps feels orphaned, as I’m sure many well meaning conservatives must. The potential demise of the Republican party under the grip of an extreme cadre of science denying, racist, fascist, inciting, but most of all deeply fearful lot is the result of succumbing to culture shock.

I do not mean culture shock in the traditional form, i.e “the ’60s”. The culture shock I am referring to is, for fundamentalists, tantamount to post traumatic stress disorder. First with Galileo, then with Newton, then Darwin, and finally Einstein, science has gradually dissolved and proved false deeply held cosmologies which, for millennia, had provided satisfactory – if supernatural – comfort in response to one’s own ultimate annihilation.

God was the ultimate father figure. God was the ultimate authority figure. Now, after four hundred years of the scientific method, God is dead. What is one with an authoritarian mindset to do? We might look to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross’ 5 stages of grief.

Stage 1. Denial
Stage 2. Anger
Stage 3. Bargaining
Stage 4. Depression
Stage 5. Acceptance

It is safe to say that those who hold to the traditional conservative mindset are still in Stage 1. The far-right minions of high religiosity and authority worship who have hijacked the Republican party are well into Stage 2. The Catholic church has shown signs of late to entering Stage 3 with its forgiveness of Galileo.

Fear of annihilation and the absence of God coupled with the fear that this knowledge might lead to societal breakdown is a lot to wrestle with for some and just beginning to sink in among a long-time tradition of supernaturalists. What, you might ask a scientist, would it take to disprove your theory? The scientist would say: contrary evidence. When faced with the same question, the conservative and the fundamentalist would simply say: nothing.

Scarborough was combatant because, to my mind, he was having to face the fact that the paternalistic, authoritarian, daddy fetishist conservative Republican party died when God died, and he’s scared.

By: aWorldQuiteMad

aWorldQuiteMad — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:37:44 +0000

///”Joe pointed twice to Rep. Jerry Nadler, who had called the disruptions of town hall-style healthcare forums by the far-right Tea Party movement “a fascist tactic.””///

If the shoe fits.

///”“My point to you was that we can both pick out extreme rhetoric on both sides who are reckless and irresponsible on both sides” Scarborough declared. “We’ve gotta step back and try to figure out how to heal this country.””///

I don’t think that the right-wing neo-cons *want* a “healed” country. They want us divided, and then they want the country run their way.

I don’t understand why people can’t have intelligent, rational, calm conversations about divergent points of view. They have this need to be “right” as if there’s only one way, their way. See above.

BTW, I think your book sounds very interesting, and I will have to pick up a copy.

By: Calamagrostis

Calamagrostis — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:00:52 +0000

I can’t wait to read the book. It seems like this is a great opportunity to make some real political progress if we can understand conservative psychology. The extreme forms seem like some sort of mental illness.