Edgy? No.

I will be posting soon on the reaction to my TBA video. For now I will just say that I agree with those who say my video was not edgy. I never intended for it to be edgy, which is why I found TBA’s refusal to show it so puzzling and ultimately disspiriting.

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  1. Tree Fitzpatrick

    I just watched your video, Max, and I don’t think it’s edgy.
    Actually, I think it is disspiriting and I wonder why
    you might have thought it would be productive or positive
    to show it at TBA. Were you trying to show that the
    putative leadership of the progressive movement are
    stodgy and behind the curve? And why were you asking
    people about Obama girl? Was that journalism? What was
    your agenda? I would like to know what you hoped to
    communicate with that video because I missed that and
    I’m smart. I gotta J.D. and an MS. and a B.A. and a high
    IQ and I don’t see your point. If I were gonna make and
    show a video at TBA, well, I would use such a pulpit
    with respect for the sponsors, the audience, the venue,
    . . . I would use the opportunity to motivate or, maybe,
    inspire but your video is fuzzy, disrespectful, mildly
    derisive and. . . . what was the point?

    Hey, you get to be you and create whatever you want
    but national conventions hold meaning for participants
    and I think you misused the platform opportunity given
    to you when, I assume,TBA initially invited you to
    show a film at their convention. Your film, at best,
    is about nothing and irrelvant to TBA. Harmless but not
    an actual contribution to the TBA convention and hey,
    they had a right to expect an eight-minute film shown at
    their home turf to meet their needs . . . and your film
    didn’t meet their needs. You blew the opportunity.

    I don’t think the TBA organizers were wrong to refuse
    to show it. I look forward to reading why you made it.

  2. Preston Powell

    I’m telling you, Max, had it been Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart, the planners would have shown it. In fact, Colbert and Stewart would’ve been hasher and far more critical of the event. I thought the humor was lite and inoffensive, and if they can’t take someone making fun of their conference, screw them.

  3. Preston Powell

    Max, I think many people are misunderstanding your intentions in this video, and it’s a shame, because if they view it a little closer they’ll see that you weren’t being the smug, misanthropic they’re painting you out to be.

    I’m not you so I can’t speak on what your intentions were with the whole “Obama Girl” bit, but from what I gather, I believe you were poking fun at your profession—hence, the “twenty-something male and part of the media” line you said with snarkiness. I took this as you criticizing how our media has become so trivial, so tabloid-like, rather than reporting important issues that will educate and empower the American public, journalists (those who are idolatrously obsessive over the unimportant), spend most of their time reporting stories that’s superficial garbage and irrelevant (e.g., CNN, FOX and MSNBC spending hours upon hours giving us Paris Hilton and Anne Nicole Smith stories). Thus, you played the Obama Girl bit ad nauseam.

    You were also mocking your generation and our disinterests in politics. Many of us rather spend time discussing the bangin’ booty on Obama Girl rather than looking deeper into Obama himself and see what he stands for or against. And many young voters would definitely vote for Obama because of a silly-ass YouTube video. On the other hand, you also alluded to the reason why many of us tune-out whenever we hear politicians peddling their speeches: because most of the time it’s the same unoriginal, calculating, phony, it’s-time-for-a-change rhetoric that neither galvanizes or convinces young folk the politician is serious. Like Hollywood actors or actresses in the 40s and 50s, we see nothing but highly-stylized façades with most politicians, and this is one of many reasons why they fail to strike a cord with youth that’s craving for bold, new, action-oriented leaders that means serious business. We’ve had enough neoliberal pimps saying a few things to satisfy the ears of his/her constituency. Young folks are looking for action not puffery.

    How they expected you—a satirist and iconoclast—to go soft on them because you’re a Liberal is quite laughable. You could’ve did a by-the-numbers documentary of the conference, interviewed the usual, asking them questions about the War, health care, gay marriage, immigration, etc., but that would have been boring because you knew what to expect going down that route: talking points! Instead, you kicked off the video paying homage to Mike Gravel’s Dadaist campaign ad, hinting that it will be a presentation that exhibits “nonsense, travesty, and incongruity” (since that’s what the Dada movement represents), went into the event swaggering like a bad-ass, and not only came out satirizing yourself and your profession, but phony politicians and the masses who buy into their rhetoric—all compressed into eight minutes!

    Maybe I’m miscalculating your intentions since I am a filmmaker, but that’s how I see it.

  4. Max Post author

    Preston, I should hire you as my publicist because you do a better job of explaining the motives behind my work than I do. You’re right that many people have misunderstood my style in this video. I was indeed mocking my profession with Obama Girl bit, the way the media covers campaigns, and the apathy and materialism of people of our generation. Some have also accused me of mocking working class people who don’t read blogs. The whole point of interviewing those people, who constitute the liberal base, was to highlight the elitism and self-importance of the progressive “netroots” — a movement I am basically a part of. If people are offended by my self-mockery, they should stop identifying with me.

  5. Preston Powell

    No problem, Max, you know I got your back, brah.

    I don’t understand where people come to the conclusion you were deriding blacks and working-class people. Anyone who has read your work in The Nation should know that you’re far from an elitist. You’ve always advocated equality for working-class and minorities. Hell, if you really wanted a legitimate reason to mock someone that’s black, you would’ve done so on clowns such as Sharpton, the self-appointed leader of the “black community.” I knew exactly what you were doing when you interviewed the black ladies, and it wasn’t to deride them for not knowing or reading blogs. Clearly, through the crosscuts back and forth between the interviewees, you were sardonically underlining the arrogance and grandiloquence of self-important bloggers, notably Matt Stoller and others of his kind. Again, it was another sign of self-mockery in the video, since, as you noted, you’re a part of the netroots movement.

    I think some of your critics had preconceived notions about you before viewing the video, and because of your father’s clout as former senior aid to President Clinton, and his status as one of America’s top journalists, they automatically took that background information and used it to jeer you with insults such as “spoiled,” “privileged,” “egotistical,” etc., completely misreading the methods you were employing in your documentary. It clouded their judgment to where the only thing they could comprehend was a spoiled, privileged, isolated white guy slandering the working-class, blacks, gays, bloggers, the elderly, etc.

    Anyway, I meant to ask you, at the end of your video where you used a small music clip, if I’m not mistaken, was that the Rev. James Cleveland and the Georgia Mass Choir? I may have left the church for quite some time, but I still know my Gospel music when I hear it. I thought that was a nice touch, like you were having a Baptism, lol.

  6. Lizard

    I don’t know..Was your TBA video as lame and “simpleton”
    as the one where you acted like a giddy high school
    class clown, trying to chase Michelle Malkin around?
    Maybe your answer lies somewhere in there?
    Preston: Seems funny that you two are the only ones
    who understand what you’re talking about, but the
    rest of the free world doesn’t have a clue– according
    to you. I know you’re Max’s bootlicking cheerleader,
    but are you two…..uh, never mind.

  7. Lizard

    Hey Preston: Loved your previous post where you
    misspelled the word “blog” by calling it “bloke.”
    I think you unintentionally invented a new word.
    “Bloke” could describe a ‘broken blog.’ Of course,
    you’d only be able to use it on this blog, in order
    for people to comprehend it’s true meaning first-hand.

  8. Lizard

    Max: First it was your commie brethren CNN doing a
    clip on how loony you are, now TBA gives you the
    brush-off. Geez, that’s gotta sting a little!?!
    Are you learning anything from this?

  9. Lizard

    Ok Max, while I’m in a philanthropic mood, us
    conservatives are going to take you under our wing,
    since you’re having a hard time finding any friends lately.
    You’re going to need some testosterone injections,
    and some self-esteem classes, but I think you
    are salvageable.

  10. Preston Powell

    Preston: Seems funny that you two are the only ones
    who understand what you’re talking about, but the
    rest of the free world doesn’t have a clue– according
    to you. I know you’re Max’s bootlicking cheerleader,
    but are you two…..uh, never mind.

    Ah, yes, the reactionary rantings of the self-professed bigoted conservative (i.e. Lizard) returns. Still using the same tired-ass lines against me, huh (e.g., bootlicker, cheerleader)? Honestly, I would debate with you, but like your heroes—Coulter, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Malkin, Horowitz, Hannity, etc.—you’re a complete waste of time since most of your responses are so knee-jerking, intellectual bankrupt and incomprehensive. I’ve been there and done this with you in the past, and all I get are the same angry-white man rants that I can easily read at trashy conservative sites like Townhall. You’re still pissed at Max because he had the gall to expose Far-Right religious zealots. I mean, how dare Max, a liberal and JEW (the latter you so notably pointed out the last time we encountered) criticize Far-Right Christian zealots who are abusing their power. In Neanderthal minds such as yourself and others of your ilk, Negroes, Jews and women should know their place! How dare they speak out against the oppressor and challenge the status quo.

    Hey Preston: Loved your previous post where you
    misspelled the word “blog” by calling it “bloke.”
    I think you unintentionally invented a new word.
    “Bloke” could describe a ‘broken blog.’ Of course,
    you’d only be able to use it on this blog, in order
    for people to comprehend it’s true meaning first-hand.

    And yet you still come here and visit this blog, despite it being “broken”. I guess you think by adding your usual O’Reillyian type of rants that’s somehow stinging Max. Please! Get the fuck outta here, son! Max has dealt with far more prominent and persuasive Right-Wing zealots than nobodies such as yourself—in their face, no less! Get over yourself, Lizard, you ain’t shit compared to those he has confronted in the past. Unlike you, who hides behind a blog and leave little childish insults, Max actually confronts his enemies and scrutinizes them IN THEIR FACE! And if I’m a bootlicker because I respect him and his work, than you’re a self-centered, speak-like-O’Reilly-to-make-myself-look-tough, pussy.

    In the end, Lizard, you’re definitely the sperm that your mom should have swallowed.

  11. Preston Powell

    First it was your commie brethren CNN doing a clip on how loony you are, now TBA gives you the brush-off.

    CNN is far-left? LMAO! Yeah, okay, Lizard, if you say so. But if CNN is so far to the left can you please name ONE pundit in their line-up that’s nearly as extreme and reactionary as Hume, O’Reilly, Hannity, Gibson and others on Faux News? And please don’t use Zahn, Blitzer, King and Cooper as examples. In fact, Lou Dobbs brings in huge ratings because of his anti-immigration stance on his show, and we all know he isn’t a liberal. So pray tell, please enlighten me about CNN and their rar-to-the-left slant in their news. I’m DYING to know.

  12. Lizard

    Preston- Please don’t hold back, tell us how you really
    feel. Honestly, Preston ; “Please! Get the fuck
    outta here,son” Hard to get happy after
    that one !! Aren’t you supposed to represent the party
    of tolerance? Oh, I forgot..your limits of “tolerance”
    ends when someone interjects an opinion that differs
    from yours. You make an insinuation that I put down
    women? Didn’t you just state something to the effect
    that Coulter has a following of fat, ugly women??
    You seem to have a memory so short that you’re able
    to hide your own Easter eggs. You claim CNN is NOT
    liberal? Preston, Preston, Preston.. Why do you thing
    conservatives affectionately refer to them by the
    moniker “Communist News Network?” Why do you think that
    conservatives are always pointing out how much Fox
    slaughters CNN in the ratings? Why do liberals always
    call for Fox to be removed from the air, but never
    say the same for CNN? Why was CNN born and raised by
    the biggest flaming liberal crackpot, Ted Turner and
    Hanoi Jane? Preston, if you truly believe CNN is
    conservative, then I’m giving you way too much respect
    by responding to your ignorance..

  13. Preston Powell

    Aren’t you supposed to represent the party of tolerance?

    I represent a party? This is the problem I have with knuckleheads such as yourself, Lizard: you assume too much. While I am a progressive in every sense of the word, that doesn’t mean I’m a water carrier, nor does it mean *I* represent anyone or any party—I represent myself, bub. I disagree with MANY folks on the left, pretty much most of the time. For example, today I read Eric Alterman’s blog at Media Matters where he’s under the delusion that the Supreme Court’s decision of dismantling Affirmative Action by race is a good thing, because it will lead the way to class-based Affirmative Action. Rick Pearlstein has already taken Alterman to task with his stance on illegal-immigration, where Pearlstein suggests, rightly so, that Alterman has fallen prey to Right Wing propaganda regarding this issue. I feel Alterman has fallen pray to Right Wing propaganda again with his stance on this horrible decision passed by the Supreme Court; there have been tons of sociologists, notably Stephen Steinberg, explaining that the end of Affirmative Action, as we know it, will not lead to a better system. I respect Alterman most of the time, but other times, he can be just as much of a centrist as his arch adversary, Joe Klein.

    So I’m not your usual “bootlicking, cheerleading liberal,” you think I am. To put it bluntly, I despise neo-liberalism since it’s really nothing but a Republican form of liberalism. And while I have the utmost respect for Max and his father, I was not and am not a huge Clinton fan. I maybe a progressive, but I’m not someone who worships the ground Bill Clinton—or any other liberal that follows his path—walks on. In fact, I’m probably one of the few “brothas” that hate the “first black president” moniker giving to Clinton. I think for myself and represent NO ONE but myself, Lizzie. Got it? Good. Next…

    Oh, I forgot..your limits of “tolerance” ends when someone interjects an opinion that differs from yours.

    Nah, that’s not true. I just despise extremists such as yourself. Unbelievably, I actually like some conservatives, such as Joe Scarborough. Sure, he pissed me off when he joined with other conservatives to shift the blame on Hip Hop rather than focusing on Imus’s racism and sexism when Imus called the Rutgers basketball team “nappy-headed hoes.” Yet I still like Scarborough because he’s sensible. He isn’t water carrier for the Bush Administration like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, O’Reilly, Malkin, Gibson and other shock-jock pundits. So, no, I don’t hate conservatives that holds a different opinion than me. I just don’t like you, Lizzie.

    You make an insinuation that I put down women? Didn’t you just state something to the effect that Coulter has a following of fat, ugly women??

    Actually, I didn’t call Coulter’s female fans “ugly,” I did call the one girl that was standing behind her in the Matthew’s interview, all giggly and star struck by Coulter, chubby, which is true! So I advise you to go back and read my post again, Lizzie. Or maybe you’re just using another method by your hero, O’Reilly, and cherry-picking what you want so you can use it for a weak defense. Ya. Thought so.

    You claim CNN is NOT liberal?

    Pretty much. Wolf Blizter, Paula Zahn, Lou Dobbs and others, uses as much conservative misinformation as Faux News. If that wasn’t the case Media Matters should not have TONS of documentation showcasing how CNN and MSNBC are just as guilty as Fox with it’s leaning to the Right. Ever since the success of Faux News, both CNN and MSNBC have changed its format to compete with them, meaning they’re leaning more to the Right. If CNN was a socialist network as you’re asserting, then there should be no conservative misinformation noted by a progressive watchdog group like Media Matters.

    Why do you thing conservatives affectionately refer to them by the moniker “Communist News Network?”

    Hmm, Lizzie, I honestly don’t know the answer to that question—I’m not a Far-Right extremist that is under the delusion that everything in this country is run by those darn commies (which in many ways is nothing but code language for “those darn Jews!”)

    Why do you think that conservatives are always pointing out how much Fox slaughters CNN in the ratings?

    Faux News is slaughtering CNN and MSNBC because it’s pretty much cheap entertainment. That’s what we Americans enjoy nowadays—sensationalist, cheap, dumb-down entertainment. That’s why American Idol brings in 35 million viewers each weak; it’s cheap, easy, and it doesn’t require a viewer to think when participating. Just because Faux News is a ratings winner doesn’t equate to quality, buddy. Britney Spears has sold more records than Billie Holiday, doesn’t mean Britney Spears is the better artist.

    Why do liberals always call for Fox to be removed from the air, but never say the same for CNN?

    I don’t want Faux News removed off from air; I actually think it has it purpose as a comedy show. Certainly it’s been funnier than the last few seasons of Saturday Night Live and Mad TV combined.

    Why was CNN born and raised by the biggest flaming liberal crackpot, Ted Turner and Hanoi Jane?

    So…I take it this is your only example of CNN’s liberal bias is that the chairman is Ted Turner? Turner maybe a liberal, but he’s a capitalist first before anything. And when he sees that a competitive network like Faux News is beating him in the ratings, you better rest assure that he will follow by example and use similar methods that are utilized by Faux News to compete in the market place. He’s a stone-cold Ayn Rand-like capitalist who puts competition before principal. Therefore using Ted Turner—and especially Jane Fonda, someone that’s irrelevant to the development of CNN—as your only source for CNN’s bias is piss-poor at best. Try again, Lizzie.

  14. Preston Powell

    All right, I just posted a pretty lengthy response back to Lizzie and it didn’t show up, but my following post did. That’s strange. The link I posted is connected to an argument I was making. Hopefully Max will come here soon and allow that post to come through.

  15. Preston Powell

    Here’s my post again since it didn’t process through the first time:

    Aren’t you supposed to represent the party of tolerance?

    I represent a party? This is the problem I have with knuckleheads such as yourself, Lizard: you assume too much. While I am a progressive in every sense of the word, that doesn’t mean I’m a water carrier, nor does it mean *I* represent anyone or any party—I represent myself, bub. I disagree with MANY folks on the left, pretty much most of the time. For example, today I read Eric Alterman’s blog at Media Matters where he’s under the delusion that the Supreme Court’s decision of dismantling Affirmative Action by race is a good thing, because it will lead the way to class-based Affirmative Action. Rick Pearlstein has already taken Alterman to task with his stance on illegal-immigration, where Pearlstein suggests, rightly so, that Alterman has fallen prey to Right Wing propaganda regarding this issue. I feel Alterman has fallen pray to Right Wing propaganda again with his stance on this horrible decision passed by the Supreme Court; there have been tons of sociologists, notably Stephen Steinberg, explaining that the end of Affirmative Action, as we know it, will not lead to a better system. I respect Alterman most of the time, but other times, he can be just as much of a centrist as his arch adversary, Joe Klein.

    So I’m not your usual “bootlicking, cheerleading liberal,” you think I am. To put it bluntly, I despise neo-liberalism since it’s really nothing but a Republican form of liberalism. And while I have the utmost respect for Max and his father, I was not and am not a huge Clinton fan. I maybe a progressive, but I’m not someone who worships the ground Bill Clinton—or any other liberal that follows his path—walks on. In fact, I’m probably one of the few “brothas” that hate the “first black president” moniker giving to Clinton. I think for myself and represent NO ONE but myself, Lizzie. Got it? Good. Next…

    Oh, I forgot..your limits of “tolerance” ends when someone interjects an opinion that differs from yours.

    Nah, that’s not true. I just despise extremists such as yourself. Unbelievably, I actually like some conservatives, such as Joe Scarborough. Sure, he pissed me off when he joined with other conservatives to shift the blame on Hip Hop rather than focusing on Imus’s racism and sexism when Imus called the Rutgers basketball team “nappy-headed hoes.” Yet I still like Scarborough because he’s sensible. He isn’t water carrier for the Bush Administration like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, O’Reilly, Malkin, Gibson and other shock-jock pundits. So, no, I don’t hate conservatives that holds a different opinion than me. I just don’t like you, Lizzie.

    You make an insinuation that I put down women? Didn’t you just state something to the effect that Coulter has a following of fat, ugly women??

    Actually, I didn’t call Coulter’s female fans “ugly,” I did call the one girl that was standing behind her in the Matthew’s interview, all giggly and star struck by Coulter, chubby, which is true! So I advise you to go back and read my post again, Lizzie. Or maybe you’re just using another method by your hero, O’Reilly, and cherry-picking what you want so you can use it for a weak defense. Ya. Thought so.

    You claim CNN is NOT liberal?

    Pretty much. Wolf Blizter, Paula Zahn, Lou Dobbs and others, uses as much conservative misinformation as Faux News. If that wasn’t the case Media Matters should not have TONS of documentation showcasing how CNN and MSNBC are just as guilty as Fox with it’s leaning to the Right. Ever since the success of Faux News, both CNN and MSNBC have changed its format to compete with them, meaning they’re leaning more to the Right. If CNN was a socialist network as you’re asserting, then there should be no conservative misinformation noted by a progressive watchdog group like Media Matters.

    Why do you thing conservatives affectionately refer to them by the moniker “Communist News Network?”

    Hmm, Lizzie, I honestly don’t know the answer to that question—I’m not a Far-Right extremist that is under the delusion that everything in this country is run by those darn commies (which in many ways is nothing but code language for “those darn Jews!”)

    Why do you think that conservatives are always pointing out how much Fox slaughters CNN in the ratings?

    Faux News is slaughtering CNN and MSNBC because it’s pretty much cheap entertainment. That’s what we Americans enjoy nowadays—sensationalist, cheap, dumb-down entertainment. That’s why American Idol brings in 35 million viewers each weak; it’s cheap, easy, and it doesn’t require a viewer to think when participating. Just because Faux News is a ratings winner doesn’t equate to quality, buddy. Britney Spears has sold more records than Billie Holiday, doesn’t mean Britney Spears is the better artist.

    Why do liberals always call for Fox to be removed from the air, but never say the same for CNN?

    I don’t want Faux News removed off from air; I actually think it has it purpose as a comedy show. Certainly it’s been funnier than the last few seasons of Saturday Night Live and Mad TV combined.

    Why was CNN born and raised by the biggest flaming liberal crackpot, Ted Turner and Hanoi Jane?

    So…I take it this is your only example of CNN’s liberal bias is that the chairman is Ted Turner? Turner maybe a liberal, but he’s a capitalist first before anything. And when he sees that a competitive network like Faux News is beating him in the ratings, you better rest assure that he will follow by example and use similar methods that are utilized by Faux News to compete in the market place. He’s a stone-cold Ayn Rand-like capitalist who puts competition before principal. Therefore using Ted Turner—and especially Jane Fonda, someone that’s irrelevant to the development of CNN—as your only source for CNN’s bias is piss-poor at best. Try again, Lizzie.

  16. Alan

    Tree: Just because you have a J.D. does not mean you’re smart. I know plenty of idiots with a law degree.

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